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OTH man
11-14-2005, 07:13 PM
ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE - President Bush hurled new criticism at Iraq war critics on Monday as he headed for Asia, accusing some Democrats of "sending mixed signals to our troops and the enemy." "That is irresponsible," Bush said in prepared remarks he planned to deliver to U.S. forces during a refueling stop in Alaska. Excerpts were released by the White House as Bush flew to Elemendorf Air Force Base on the initial leg of an eight-day journey to Japan, South Korea, China and Mongolia. Bush had hopes of improving his image on the world stage
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SOURCE: www.yahoo.com
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THANK YOU BUSH! JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ about time they hear whats coming...

Ashlyn
11-14-2005, 07:42 PM
"Americans seek the truth about how the nation committed our troops to war because the decision to go to war is too serious to be entered into under faulty pretenses," Harry Reid (D-Nevada)

Yeah... that pretty much sums it up for me.

amberdawn
11-14-2005, 07:46 PM
If you think its false pretenses, thats your opinion.

Im glad he finally stood up to the Democrats and protestors.

Ol'blueyes
11-14-2005, 07:52 PM
Yeah its about time, if anyone has LIED its been all of the democrats(except Hilary Clinton) Don't tell me that none of them said that we should have gone to Iraq.

Ashlyn
11-14-2005, 07:52 PM
.. and I have the right to my opinion, as do all democratic protesters.

If he was to defend himself and show exactly what they weren't false pretenses, that would be fine. In fact, I would love him to do that. But this was no more than a crybaby yell of "Stop picking on me."

Quinton
11-14-2005, 07:59 PM
Im glad he finally stood up to the Democrats and protestors.He hasn't stood up to them before?

Good on him though. I like that he's getting more vocal. :)

amberdawn
11-14-2005, 08:04 PM
He hasnt as often as he should. And I think he did better today than what he has in the past.

Ol'blueyes
11-14-2005, 08:06 PM
Actor Bruce Willis has offered $1 million to anyone who turns in al-Qaeda terror leaders. The patriotic Die Hard star will pay out for information on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, Aymen Al-Zawahiri or Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the alleged brains behind the 9/11 atrocity. Willis announced his reward on Us TV show Rita Cosby: Live And Direct, where he also slammed biased media coverage of the Iraq war. He said, "I am baffled to understand why the things that I saw happening in Iraq, really good things happening in Iraq, are not being reported on."

OTH man
11-14-2005, 08:10 PM
yeahh Bruce! lol its so true why dont they ever show the stuff all soilders talk about about how every day Iraqis thank them and instend show bombings?

Quinton
11-14-2005, 08:20 PM
Maybe Bill Gates or Donald Trump could offer monetary rewards as well? It would be an incredibly nice gesture, and it's not like they're screaming poverty or anything.

Andrew
11-14-2005, 11:56 PM
"That is irresponsible"

So many rebuttals... can't choose one...



Umm... about the money rewards: On one hand, I find it sad that people have to be bribed in order to catch criminals. On the other, if it works, it works.

Like recently, 2 criminal pedophiles were caught after an airing of Oprah's show. Maybe someone could ask her to air a "Where's Osama?"-show

Quinton
11-15-2005, 02:25 AM
I just had some image in my head of somebody with information leading to the capture of Bin-Liner sitting there waiting for the best "offer" to come in. :lol:

I read an article today on Al Qaeda flaming the british Queen for being "most evil". What's next? Are they gonna target Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes? (sorry I keep bringing it back to them... eeevil).

everwoodisfab
11-15-2005, 10:07 AM
^the queen evil?!?! She doesn't do enough to be considered evil :lol:

Kari
11-15-2005, 10:33 AM
Now what a surprise...Bush critizises war opponents.
That's new...

Faith
11-15-2005, 05:08 PM
I think that a good leader respects all of his peoples opinions... That is what makes them a leader, and not one of the dictators that thinks they know everything :)

Ol'blueyes
11-15-2005, 07:41 PM
see im just curious now, but those who oppose the iraq war, how do you feel about the war in afghanistan, is it justified?

Faith
11-15-2005, 07:52 PM
For me personally, after WW1 every war has been unjustified :)

That's just my view though ;)

OTH man
11-15-2005, 08:03 PM
lol "the war to end all wars" yah but i mean it didnt work also

the best "offer" lol

yah Oprah... we r waiting!


OT: duude this is the first time ive had a CUrrent Events thread go longer than a page :)

Faith
11-15-2005, 08:05 PM
Yeah but after the WW1 showed the pointless pain and horrendous destruction that war caused those men... I could never support it.

I mean, a man, 105 years old from the war, was on a TV show recently... Still haunted by it, even now. He said, 'I thought I was over this... I thought I could let it rest. But it's all back again...' Those men were so brave and so... their life was pointlessly transformed.

So thats why I dont gel with war :)

I get what Tony Blair was trying to do, and I respect him for doing what he thinks is right, but its just not something I can support :)

amberdawn
11-15-2005, 09:08 PM
You dont think World War II was justified?

everwoodisfab
11-16-2005, 08:23 AM
^WW2 was a just war and IMHO is one of the only ones that was

Faith
11-16-2005, 08:49 AM
I dont feel that it was not justified, I just feel that after world war 1 you would have thought people would have learnt something :)

I just don't support war, generally ;)

everwoodisfab
11-16-2005, 08:59 AM
^thats true but then with world war 2 its not as if people chose to go to war, alot was done to try and avoid it but it ended up being an inevitable option.

I dont generally support war and think that everything should be done to avoid it.

Faith
11-16-2005, 09:58 AM
My main problem is Bush' attitude now... he shouldn't, as a 'good leader,' alientate those that do not support him or his actions :)

everwoodisfab
11-16-2005, 10:30 AM
^ thats true its fair enough for him to say that he supports the war and wanted the war and had so and so reasons for doing it but to say that other people cant state their own opinions is completely unfair.

Kari
11-16-2005, 01:06 PM
You dont think World War II was justified?
Well, I would have prefered Hitler wouldn't have occupied France and Poland etc in the first place...that wasn't justified.

Quinton
11-16-2005, 02:04 PM
I would have preferred Hitler not being born at all *shrugs*

everwoodisfab
11-16-2005, 02:38 PM
Well, I would have prefered Hitler wouldn't have occupied France and Poland etc in the first place...that wasn't justified.

well no when you put it like that it wasnt justified but people responding to Hitler and trying to stop him and having to go to war to do that was justified

OTH man
11-16-2005, 04:28 PM
people say hitler wouldda been a guiness but he wanted to take over the world so.... not so much

Heather
11-16-2005, 04:45 PM
I say "Good for him." He has been criticized left and right for over two years now, and never said anything. He always took the higher road, and ignored it. Its about time that he stood up and defended why we are there. Way past time if you ask me. Especially after all the abuse he has taken this past year. It was beyond time. He should have spoken out like that long ago.

And he's right. The Dems are attempting to rewrite history, and the war. Which is wrong. Someone needs to stand up and say, "You're wrong." And he has every right to do it. I cant think of a single Democrat who would allow themselves to be maligned for so long without even attempting to defend themselves. It speaks lengths about his character.

And I love Bruce. I always have. And this just goes to further him in my mind. That man rocks! Seriously, why isnt the positive being reported??? Ive posted it here, and been mocked and criticized for it. But its true. And I know it is. Im not a propogandist, for crying out loud. :lol:

Quinton
11-16-2005, 05:52 PM
people say hitler wouldda been a guiness but he wanted to take over the world so.... not so much
LOL!

sorry I know you meant genius but the word guiness was the first word I saw. Mmmm guiness.

As far as being a genius, some would say he was. Even more so if he actually did manage to conquer the world.

Heather
11-16-2005, 11:38 PM
Well, there is a fine line between genius and insanity.

Quinton
11-17-2005, 12:17 AM
lol yeah. I don't think there's anyone here who supports the craziness that was his regime.

Back on topic... bottomline for me is, if the President wants to criticize the war protestors he has every right. I wouldn't expect him to just sit there and take it. It's like if you continuously throw a basketball at someone's head. And good on him too. :)

Faith
11-17-2005, 02:10 AM
I say "Good for him." He has been criticized left and right for over two years now, and never said anything. He always took the higher road, and ignored it. Its about time that he stood up and defended why we are there. Way past time if you ask me. Especially after all the abuse he has taken this past year. It was beyond time. He should have spoken out like that long ago.

As a person, I get that, it's always good to stand up for yourself :)

As a president of a huge country like America, I don't. He knew what he was getting into when he decided to go for presidency, he knew that not everyone would agree with the war, he knew that people would strongly agree or strongly disagree to his views on it... a good leader would respect his people's views, no matter what :)

Look at Othello. Amazing, respected leader when he used his rational mind and just did his job. Starting getting emotional, ended up killing his wife, ya know? :ponder:

Heather
11-17-2005, 02:58 AM
I hope your not saying Bush is gonna lose it and kill Laura. ;)

But, look at it this way...Clinton was criticized, he defended himself, more than once. Bush has been maligned for a few years now, and in this past year, it has reached a fevered pitch. He should be defending himself and his policies, to say to the nay-sayers, "You're wrong...and this is why." Which is exactly what he did. And I say, more power to him, its about frigging time.

Faith
11-17-2005, 03:02 AM
Nah, Clinton was wrong too.

Now, when Clinton stood up for himself for personal issues, such as his affair, that is fair enough, because that is about Bill, the man, lol. However, if it had been about something he had done politically, (ie if he had gone to war,) and then he had 'stood up' for himself, that is also wrong.

Trust me, Shakespeare knows all ;)

Heather
11-17-2005, 10:35 PM
Im not just talking about the Monica thing. Clinton was criticized for way more than that, and when he was, he spoke out and defended himself. Theres no reason why Bush shouldnt be doing the exact same thing.

amberdawn
11-17-2005, 10:42 PM
I agree. Bush is a smart man, definitely smarter than Clinton. He should of been defending himself a long time ago.

Faith
11-18-2005, 07:12 PM
Not necessarily smarter, noone can claim that either way :)

I think that both of them are wrong for it, they should put being a leader above the 'leave me alone' tactics :)