Rory in season 6 and 7

[Roryforever]

hey
i haven't been able to watch season 6 or 7 jet.
but i've heard that Rory gets more rebellous is that true? Also does Rory stay kind , sweet and caring in season 6 and 7?

[ForEVER loved]

Yes, Rory gets more rebellious and a little out of character because she and her mom have a rift and Rory completely reorganizes her priorities having to do with school. Also, she goes back to Logan even though he cheated on her and breaks Jess' heart in the process. Not like Rory! In season 7, she seems to dependent on Logan to me. Still sweet? Not like she was in high school.

[icecream4]

she was not really rebellious. She dropped out of school for a little while and was living with her grandparents. She decided to go back when Jess came to visit and and brought it up. Logan did not cheat on Rory. He thought they were broken up. She hadn't called him in a month or two. He slept with some girls which is not much different than most people on tv. The way they ended things was broken up to me. A nasty fight and no contact

She is not dependent on Logan. They are so refreshing. He spent the summer and the first few months in London and they had a long distance relationship. He's working at some office and moved back to Boston and Rory is still in school

[lorelais]

Well, I don't see Rory as an uncaring person in seasons 6 and 7:

The first half of season 6 Rory is experiecing a crisis of confidence after she is told that she doesn't have what takes to be a journalist (she commits a fellony and drops out of Yale for six months). She and Lorelai are estranged because Lorelai, who at first seems to forgive the fellony, refuses to accept Rory at home if she insists to take some time out of school, so Rory moves in with Emily and Richard in ep 5.22.

In 6.01 Lorelai doesn't show up at Rory's hearing at court, where the judge gives Rory 300 hours of community service, one year on probation and a criminal record for at least five years. Even with that, in 6.02 Rory goes to Luke's diners in an attempt to reach for her mother, but hears from Luke that he and Lorelai are engaged. Hurt because Lorelai didn't tell her about the engagement and believing that Lorelai won't speak to her until she's back at Yale, a resigned Rory accepts Emily's job offer at the DAR and spends the whole semester doing her community service.

(Luke doesn't agree with how Lorelai is treating Rory, but she says that is "tough love")

Only in 6.04 Lorelai tries to call Rory for the first time, but, since Rory lost her old cell phone, they only talk at Sookie's kids baptism. Rory tries to give Lorelai her new number, but Lorelai doesn't accept it.

6.07 is Rory's 21 birthday and she is not very excited because she misses her mom. Emily throws her a party and asks her if she wants to invite Lorelai. Rory says yes and is excited to see her mom, but is upset because Lorelai desn't RSVP the invitation so she calls Luke to make Lorelai know that she wants her there. Only after this phone call, Lorelai decides to go the party where they talk calmly for the first time in the season.

In 6.09 Rory gets her act together and fixes everything to go back to Yale in the spring semester and also finds a job. Then she goes to Lorelai and asks to come back home. They make up.

Since then and during all season 7, Rory has been at Yale, she was editor in chief of the Yale Daily News and has been an excelent daughter. She even forgave Lorelai when she and Christopher elope without inviting her to witness their wedding (which hurt her big time).

What some people apparently don't like about her is that her boyfriend since season 5 (Logan) is rich and someone who Emily and Richard know.

And about Jess, he showed up in 6.08 at the Gilmore's, in the middle of the night, to show Rory a book he wrote. They decided to go out the next night, but are interrupted by Logan who doesn't take kindly an ex going out with his girlfriend behind his back. The night ends badly, Jess leaves and Rory and Logan split harshly. They only get back together after several episodes.

Jess doesn't know about the split in 6.08, but in 6.18 apparently doesn't care that Rory has a boyfriend (pretty much like when he went after her while she was dating Dean) and sends her an invitation for the opening of his bookstore. Rory goes, Jess and she talk and he just kisses her. She says she can't do it because she is with Logan and that she loves him blah blah blah and leaves.

[Roryforever]

Well, I don't see Rory as an uncaring person in seasons 6 and 7:

The first half of season 6 Rory is experiecing a crisis of confidence after she is told that she doesn't have what takes to be a journalist (she commits a fellony and drops out of Yale for six months). She and Lorelai are estranged because Lorelai, who at first seems to forgive the fellony, refuses to accept Rory at home if she insists to take some time out of school, so Rory moves in with Emily and Richard in ep 5.22.

In 6.01 Lorelai doesn't show up at Rory's hearing at court, where the judge gives Rory 300 hours of community service, one year on probation and a criminal record for at least five years. Even with that, in 6.02 Rory goes to Luke's diners in an attempt to reach for her mother, but hears from Luke that he and Lorelai are engaged. Hurt because Lorelai didn't tell her about the engagement and believing that Lorelai won't speak to her until she's back at Yale, a resigned Rory accepts Emily's job offer at the DAR and spends the whole semester doing her community service.

(Luke doesn't agree with how Lorelai is treating Rory, but she says that is "tough love")

Only in 6.04 Lorelai tries to call Rory for the first time, but, since Rory lost her old cell phone, they only talk at Sookie's kids baptism. Rory tries to give Lorelai her new number, but Lorelai doesn't accept it.

6.07 is Rory's 21 birthday and she is not very excited because she misses her mom. Emily throws her a party and asks her if she wants to invite Lorelai. Rory says yes and is excited to see her mom, but is upset because Lorelai desn't RSVP the invitation so she calls Luke to make Lorelai know that she wants her there. Only after this phone call, Lorelai decides to go the party where they talk calmly for the first time in the season.

In 6.09 Rory gets her act together and fixes everything to go back to Yale in the spring semester and also finds a job. Then she goes to Lorelai and asks to come back home. They make up.

Since then and during all season 7, Rory has been at Yale, she was editor in chief of the Yale Daily News and has been an excelent daughter. She even forgave Lorelai when she and Christopher elope without inviting her to witness their wedding (which hurt her big time).

What some people apparently don't like about her is that her boyfriend since season 5 (Logan) is rich and someone who Emily and Richard know.

And about Jess, he showed up in 6.08 at the Gilmore's, in the middle of the night, to show Rory a book he wrote. They decided to go out the next night, but are interrupted by Logan who doesn't take kindly an ex going out with his girlfriend behind his back. The night ends badly, Jess leaves and Rory and Logan split harshly. They only get back together after several episodes.

Jess doesn't know about the split in 6.08, but in 6.18 apparently doesn't care that Rory has a boyfriend (pretty much like when he went after her while she was dating Dean) and sends her an invitation for the opening of his bookstore. Rory goes, Jess and she talk and he just kisses her. She says she can't do it because she is with Logan and that she loves him blah blah blah and leaves.

Thanks! to me even though i haven't seen that, Lorelai behaved badly she should of stood by Rory

[confidencecohen]

Rory is usually so damn sensible Lorelai should have just trusted her and helped her but maybe she just didn't get why Rory was acting the way she was.

[MiloIsOnFire69]

Well, I don't see Rory as an uncaring person in seasons 6 and 7:
6.07 is Rory's 21 birthday and she is not very excited because she misses her mom. Emily throws her a party and asks her if she wants to invite Lorelai. Rory says yes and is excited to see her mom, but is upset because Lorelai desn't RSVP the invitation so she calls Luke to make Lorelai know that she wants her there. Only after this phone call, Lorelai decides to go the party where they talk calmly for the first time in the season.

:lol: I love that episode! :lol:

Lorelai: I didn't know the invitation was from you!
Rory: Where the hell do you think it came from?! The invitation fairy?!

[Heather]

Yes, Rory gets more rebellious and a little out of character because she and her mom have a rift and Rory completely reorganizes her priorities having to do with school. Also, she goes back to Logan even though he cheated on her and breaks Jess' heart in the process. Not like Rory! In season 7, she seems to dependent on Logan to me. Still sweet? Not like she was in high school.
Logan DID NOT cheat on Rory.

As for the original question that started this thread....

The first part of Season 6, is really about Rory finding herself. After the Season 5 finale, she and Lorelai dont speak for months. She lives with her grandparents, and dates Logan. She wasnt really herself. Logan and her break up, and she reconciles with Lorelai. Her and Logan get back together with Lorelai's help.

Rory is now the same person she was before the Mitchum review. She is focused, and happy. In her Stars Hollow life, her Yale life, and her life with Logan. She is still a deeply caring and sensitive person, but she is coming into her own.

I find it kind of funny that the Rory/Logan relationship is the most mature romantic relationship on the show. They have gotten to the point where they can apologize to each other for not being perfect, or blowing things out of proportion, and admit how much they love each other. All in a single episode.

[lorelais]

Rory is usually so damn sensible Lorelai should have just trusted her and helped her but maybe she just didn't get why Rory was acting the way she was.

IA. Sometimes I could see both sides. And I think what Lane said in Always A Godmother Never a God was a interesting way to look at the rift:

LANE: Rory, look at me. You and your mom will talk again. This rift is just nature's attempt to find some equilibrium. You and Lorelai have gone too many years without fighting. So you had to have one big fight to make up for it. Now you've had it and soon you'll make up and then this'll all be just your lost weekend.

My only complain (an I hope I'm not being OT) is how rushed ASP ended the rift. Rory and Lorelai were the heart of the show. Their long estrangement shook everything else. So once they made up ASP should have taken some time to show us the steps of their rebuilting relationship, but instead she decided to bring external drama. I think that's why fans have problems to correlate to the characters motivations.

[Roryforever]

Logan DID NOT cheat on Rory.

As for the original question that started this thread....

The first part of Season 6, is really about Rory finding herself. After the Season 5 finale, she and Lorelai dont speak for months. She lives with her grandparents, and dates Logan. She wasnt really herself. Logan and her break up, and she reconciles with Lorelai. Her and Logan get back together with Lorelai's help.

Rory is now the same person she was before the Mitchum review. She is focused, and happy. In her Stars Hollow life, her Yale life, and her life with Logan. She is still a deeply caring and sensitive person, but she is coming into her own.

I find it kind of funny that the Rory/Logan relationship is the most mature romantic relationship on the show. They have gotten to the point where they can apologize to each other for not being perfect, or blowing things out of proportion, and admit how much they love each other. All in a single episode.


From what i've heard though it was Jess who brought Rory back and made her realise she needs to get back to how she was.

[lorelais]

From what i've heard though it was Jess who brought Rory back and made her realise she needs to get back to how she was.

This is open for interpretation. It's true that Jess appeared in 6.08 - one episode before Rory decided to go back to Yale (6.09). But in the episode 6.07, when she turned 21, Rory had an interesting dream with Madeleine Albright. During this dream Madeleine Albright repeated Lorelai's words when she woke up Rory in Rory's Birthday Parties (1.06). So I would say that, even before Jess returned asking "what is going on", Rory was already re-evaluating her life and longing to come back to school and to fix everything in her life.

Jess role was more a catalystic to stir problem in Rory's romantic life (like Christopher for Lorelai and Luke in seasons 6 and 7).

[flavy]

rory changes a lot from the first 3/5 seasons...

she became more rebellous and fight for the first time (in a serious way) with Lorelai. .I was so sad for that part....bur fortunatelly in the seventh season we have got more Typical gilmore scenes....funny as usual...

[Megan+Milo=<3]

I definately like rory better in the earlier seasons. She seemed very unhappy in 6th season. She was unhappy living with richard and emily, unhappy with her relationship with logan (all you logan fans will deny it but it's true!) and she was away from lorelei. She just seems really different lately. I like the old rory better. In my opinion jess was one of the reasons that rory went back (shows that he really know whats good for rory) but she had cleary thought about it before. That was just sorta a way to show her how different she was and that she should be back in school and stuff. Ithink he just made her realize how crazy it was to be living with her grandparent, not going to school, and not talking to her mom.

[flavy]

I definately like rory better in the earlier seasons. She seemed very unhappy in 6th season. She was unhappy living with richard and emily, unhappy with her relationship with logan (all you logan fans will deny it but it's true!) and she was away from lorelei. She just seems really different lately. I like the old rory better. In my opinion jess was one of the reasons that rory went back (shows that he really know whats good for rory) but she had cleary thought about it before. That was just sorta a way to show her how different she was and that she should be back in school and stuff. Ithink he just made her realize how crazy it was to be living with her grandparent, not going to school, and not talking to her mom.



I totally quote you

[lorelais]

She was unhappy living with richard and emily, unhappy with her relationship with logan (all you logan fans will deny it but it's true!)

I won't deny that Rory was in a serious crisis in the first half of season 6 and clearly missed Lorelai. And it's also true that she was out of place at her grandparents house in 6.02 (Fight Face). But after that, she seemed comfortable there and enjoying living with them. She only started to complain when Richard and Emily realized that she was having sex under their roof and decided to move her from the poolhouse to a room in the main house (6.07). And Emily became more and more controller over her.

As for Logan, Rory seemed pretty happy in her romantic life in the first half of season 6. She was excited when he came back from Europe in 6.03 (she said she missed him) and claimed that she loved him in 6.06.

They had a harsh broke up in 6.08, when both were stressed with personal problems and due Jess visit. But the thing is that Rory and Logan made up and have been together for over a year and half. They had ups and downs, but are stronger than ever...even after endure a long-distance relationship. Not only Richard, Emily and Christopher like Logan, but also Lorelai have warmed up to their relationship. And if I recall, Dean was the only other boyfriend of Rory that Lorelai liked.

[Roryforever]

This is open for interpretation. It's true that Jess appeared in 6.08 - one episode before Rory decided to go back to Yale (6.09). But in the episode 6.07, when she turned 21, Rory had an interesting dream with Madeleine Albright. During this dream Madeleine Albright repeated Lorelai's words when she woke up Rory in Rory's Birthday Parties (1.06). So I would say that, even before Jess returned asking "what is going on", Rory was already re-evaluating her life and longing to come back to school and to fix everything in her life.

Jess role was more a catalystic to stir problem in Rory's romantic life (like Christopher for Lorelai and Luke in seasons 6 and 7).


Jess made Rory realise this isn't what she wants to do and its not who she is.
I don't think you can compare it to what happened with christopher, Lorelai and Luke when its very different.

[Roryforever]

I won't deny that Rory was in a serious crisis in the first half of season 6 and clearly missed Lorelai. And it's also true that she was out of place at her grandparents house in 6.02 (Fight Face). But after that, she seemed comfortable there and enjoying living with them. She only started to complain when Richard and Emily realized that she was having sex under their roof and decided to move her from the poolhouse to a room in the main house (6.07). And Emily became more and more controller over her.

As for Logan, Rory seemed pretty happy in her romantic life in the first half of season 6. She was excited when he came back from Europe in 6.03 (she said she missed him) and claimed that she loved him in 6.06.

They had a harsh broke up in 6.08, when both were stressed with personal problems and due Jess visit. But the thing is that Rory and Logan made up and have been together for over a year and half. They had ups and downs, but are stronger than ever...even after endure a long-distance relationship. Not only Richard, Emily and Christopher like Logan, but also Lorelai have warmed up to their relationship. And if I recall, Dean was the only other boyfriend of Rory that Lorelai liked.

Logan cheated on Rory with lots of girls, i don't see how Lorelai can like him after that! Also Jess has grown an awful lot since season 2 and i think Lorelai would like the new Jess if she got a chance

[lorelais]

Roryforever, I thought you haven't watch seasons 6 and 7, so I don't understand how you can be so sure that I can't compare Lorelai/Luke/Christopher to Rory/Logan/Jess. I've been watch every episode and that's how I see it.

And about Lorelai, she shared a short scene with Logan in a recent episode of season 7 and she was nice to him. And Lorelai also suggested to Rory to go to London to spend the summer with him. Heck, Lorelai even agreed that Logan has very expressive eyes. So I stick with what I said: Lorelai has warmed up to Rory and Logan relationship. She doesn't dislike him.

[go_clo]

lorelais I completely agree with you and your posts, finally someone who thinks like me!

Jess made Rory realise this isn't what she wants to do and its not who she is.
I don't think you can compare it to what happened with christopher, Lorelai and Luke when its very different.

No Jess did not bring Rory back, for many episodes before he returned, you could see Rory realizing what a mistake she made, right from episode 1 actually! All Jess did was scream "whats going oooooon" a bunch of times and screw stuff up with Rory and Logan! I actually find Jess' personallity to be alot like Chris!

I think that Rory is still the sweet and wonderful girl she was in the older seasons, just in a more mature way. I dont think Rory is rebelious, she just stands up for herself more. It was Lorelai's stubborn attitude that made Rory look rebelious. I think Lorelai was really stupid in season 6, Rory needed a break from school after being such a good student all her life and what she needed most was a friend and Lorelai wouldn't stand by her, then Rory moves in with her grandparents cause Lorelai wont let her stay at home, realizes that she was making a mistake, goes to fix things and finds out that her mom isn't even showing she still cares about her (finds out about the engagement) so Rory in my opinion was more hurt and bitter then rebelious.

Season 7 Rory is even cooler then season 6 Rory!

[lorelais]

Great post go_clo! :applause:

I think that Rory is still the sweet and wonderful girl she was in the older seasons, just in a more mature way. I dont think Rory is rebelious, she just stands up for herself more.

I couldn't say better! She's still a sweet and caring daughter and granddaughter: and last episode we could see that clearly. Rory loves her family... and also her friends!

Rory doesn't like to hurt people. But she is growing up and trying to adjust herself as an adult, so she makes mistakes. And most of her mistakes and stuborness had a lot in common with Lorelai's mistakes. Like Emily said to her during a fight: "you are becoming more like your mother every passing day".

It was Lorelai's stubborn attitude that made Rory look rebelious. I think Lorelai was really stupid in season 6, Rory needed a break from school after being such a good student all her life and what she needed most was a friend and Lorelai wouldn't stand by her

IA. I understand that Lorelai could be confuse and hurt for a couple days so she didn't get the deep of Rory's crisis, but at some point Lorelai had to act as a mother and help her kid. Instead she just moved on with her life and acted like a martyr.

I read that Lauren Graham didn't agree with how ASP wrote Lorelai's behaviour towards Rory in season 6 either...

[go_clo]

Great post go_clo! :applause:



I couldn't say better! She's still a sweet and caring daughter and granddaughter: and last episode we could see that clearly. Rory loves her family... and also her friends!

Rory doesn't like to hurt people. But she is growing up and trying to adjust herself as an adult, so she makes mistakes. And most of her mistakes and stuborness had a lot in common with Lorelai's mistakes. Like Emily said to her during a fight: "you are becoming more like your mother every passing day".

ITA, of course she makes mistakes, thats part of being human and just because you make one mistake, it doesn't make you a bratty rebelious kid...just human! And yes she is still sweet, thank you for backing me :) The past few episode you have seen how much Rory cares for her family, she wanted to take more time off of school in to look after he sick grandfather and upset mother plus go and tell her dad off for leaving.

IA. I understand that Lorelai could be confuse and hurt for a couple days so she didn't get the deep of Rory's crisis, but at some point Lorelai had to act as a mother and help her kid. Instead she just moved on with her life and acted like a martyr.

I read that Lauren Graham didn't agree with how ASP wrote Lorelai's behaviour towards Rory in season 6 either...

I agree, I understand that Lorelai was just scared that Rory would pull a Lorelai and not go back but that shouldn't keep her from supporting her kid, Rory was going through something and needed Lorelai to slowly help her through it. At least Rory didn't drop out, she just said she wanted a break.

Yes I heard that as well I think from an interview with her, Lauren Graham was very upset with how ASP handled that situation, my respect for Lauren raised like 100 points because of that :) it also totally makes sence to me that Lauren wouldn't agree with that seeing as how Lauren had a mom that left her at a young age.

[WaterRat]

I'm surprised by how many people take the opinion that Rory was in the right during the whole debacle. In the Season 5 finale, I totally understood why Lorelai wouldn't want Rory to drop out. A lot of people say Lorelai should have trusted her because Rory had always been mature and responsible but she clearly was not thinking straight and acting the way she used to so why should she? Maybe this is a difference in beliefs but I would be equally horrified if my child told me she was dropping out of college and would definitely not encourage her and say, "that's ok honey, whatever you think is best: throw your life away, you're all of 20." I would be like Lorelai and try and teach her that you have to go on and not listen to the naysayers and keep focused. If that didn't work I would do anything I could not to make it easy for them to stay home, because life is not easy without an education and I think it's just horrible parenting to let your kid do something like that, especially when we're talking Yale.

But that is one thing. I believe that if Lorelai had had some time to calm down maybe she could have tried to work things through with Rory, but then Rory goes behind Lorelai's back to Emily and Richard. Not only that but she is in the house when Richard and Emily tell Lorelai, hiding out like a little baby, desperately in need of a reality check, but getting ready to be coddled like a spoiled rich kid.

Even that, I think Lorelai could have looked past. But then when Rory sees Lorelai standing out there, she looks at her and then turns away. That was the final straw for me. Afterwards the life that Rory begins to lead with Logan I stopped liking the character completely.

This was very strange for me because I had never even watched the show with the idea that Lorelai was interesting because Rory was the young character and I could relate to alot of the things that were going on with her. Never would I have been more into Lorelai.

But then in the sixth season I lost all respect for Rory. Even after she went back to school the character had lost the spark for me and I just didn't like her.

As for what brought Rory back to Yale what really bothered me was that whether you think it was Jess or you think it was Lorelai, it wasn't Logan, and that's always bothered me about him. Not that Rory should be his responsibility but still, it felt like instead of the good-girl-meets-bad-boy-bad-boy-changes-for-the-good scenario it was good-girl-meets-bad-boy-good-girl-changes-for-the-worse scenario. Now it seems like the tables have turned again and I'm glad.

Personally, I had always thought it was Jess. Probably because I am a Jess and Rory fan but even look at the Madelaine Albright thing, Rory was surrounded by people who just told her what she wanted to hear, a characteristic I cannot stand in people. They are afraid of the reaction that the person will have and instead say whatever the person wants to hear and pass it off as supportive. This is why Lorelai & Rory's relationship was above this. This is why I still thought in the sixth season Jess & Rory were far better suited than Logan. I've finally realized this is never going to happen and she's fine with Logan, but in the sixth season I still maintained that he was all wrong for her because what he was doing in my opinion showed he didn't know the real Rory.

I also do not think that Lorelai "left Rory." She just said you're not going to bum around Stars Hollow, there's no way she would have kicked her out. Rory left and went to Richard and Emily and made it clear that she wanted nothing to do with Lorelai with the amount of disrespect she was showing towards her and the way she completely turned her back on her, literally in the one scene from season 5. Rory didn't get her way and for once Lorelai was being a Mom in the sense that she was telling her something she didnt want to hear and they werent agreeing and Rory couldn't deal with that so she went where she knew that she would get her way. Of course Lorelai was going to be shocked the way she was, Rory didn't even give her time to digest the information or work through it before packing up and getting her way behind Lorelai's back.

But Rory still hasn't been the same to me since that season 5 finale. Nothing about her character has. I just don't really like her anymore. I don't hate her with a passion like I did for the first half of the sixth season, but I don't like her and I definitely don't love her the way I did in those first few episodes we were introduced to her.

[Heather]

I'm surprised by how many people take the opinion that Rory was in the right during the whole debacle. In the Season 5 finale, I totally understood why Lorelai wouldn't want Rory to drop out. A lot of people say Lorelai should have trusted her because Rory had always been mature and responsible but she clearly was not thinking straight and acting the way she used to so why should she? Maybe this is a difference in beliefs but I would be equally horrified if my child told me she was dropping out of college and would definitely not encourage her and say, "that's ok honey, whatever you think is best: throw your life away, you're all of 20." I would be like Lorelai and try and teach her that you have to go on and not listen to the naysayers and keep focused. If that didn't work I would do anything I could not to make it easy for them to stay home, because life is not easy without an education and I think it's just horrible parenting to let your kid do something like that, especially when we're talking Yale.

But that is one thing. I believe that if Lorelai had had some time to calm down maybe she could have tried to work things through with Rory, but then Rory goes behind Lorelai's back to Emily and Richard. Not only that but she is in the house when Richard and Emily tell Lorelai, hiding out like a little baby, desperately in need of a reality check, but getting ready to be coddled like a spoiled rich kid.

Even that, I think Lorelai could have looked past. But then when Rory sees Lorelai standing out there, she looks at her and then turns away. That was the final straw for me. Afterwards the life that Rory begins to lead with Logan I stopped liking the character completely.

This was very strange for me because I had never even watched the show with the idea that Lorelai was interesting because Rory was the young character and I could relate to alot of the things that were going on with her. Never would I have been more into Lorelai.

But then in the sixth season I lost all respect for Rory. Even after she went back to school the character had lost the spark for me and I just didn't like her.

As for what brought Rory back to Yale what really bothered me was that whether you think it was Jess or you think it was Lorelai, it wasn't Logan, and that's always bothered me about him. Not that Rory should be his responsibility but still, it felt like instead of the good-girl-meets-bad-boy-bad-boy-changes-for-the-good scenario it was good-girl-meets-bad-boy-good-girl-changes-for-the-worse scenario. Now it seems like the tables have turned again and I'm glad.

Personally, I had always thought it was Jess. Probably because I am a Jess and Rory fan but even look at the Madelaine Albright thing, Rory was surrounded by people who just told her what she wanted to hear, a characteristic I cannot stand in people. They are afraid of the reaction that the person will have and instead say whatever the person wants to hear and pass it off as supportive. This is why Lorelai & Rory's relationship was above this. This is why I still thought in the sixth season Jess & Rory were far better suited than Logan. I've finally realized this is never going to happen and she's fine with Logan, but in the sixth season I still maintained that he was all wrong for her because what he was doing in my opinion showed he didn't know the real Rory.

I also do not think that Lorelai "left Rory." She just said you're not going to bum around Stars Hollow, there's no way she would have kicked her out. Rory left and went to Richard and Emily and made it clear that she wanted nothing to do with Lorelai with the amount of disrespect she was showing towards her and the way she completely turned her back on her, literally in the one scene from season 5. Rory didn't get her way and for once Lorelai was being a Mom in the sense that she was telling her something she didnt want to hear and they werent agreeing and Rory couldn't deal with that so she went where she knew that she would get her way. Of course Lorelai was going to be shocked the way she was, Rory didn't even give her time to digest the information or work through it before packing up and getting her way behind Lorelai's back.

But Rory still hasn't been the same to me since that season 5 finale. Nothing about her character has. I just don't really like her anymore. I don't hate her with a passion like I did for the first half of the sixth season, but I don't like her and I definitely don't love her the way I did in those first few episodes we were introduced to her.
Neither one was in the right. Rory was at a crossroads, and needed her mothers support. Lorelai handled the situation wrong. She should have supported her daughter, and been there for her. But instead, she flat out told her if she dropped out of Yale, she couldnt come home. Rory needed support, and Lorelai didnt give it. And Lorelai, is the mother. She should have been more mature with the situation. She really left Rory with no alternative.

What did Logan have to do with any of it? When Rory needed comfort, he gave it. Yes, he wanted her at Yale, but unlike her mother, he also realized she needed time to come to it on her own. So he gave her that time, and supported her decision, instead of just cutting her off like Lorelai did. He took the higher road.

I wont get into semantics, but during their fight, Logan finally voiced his frustrations about her dropping out of Yale. "I gave you one month, you went beyond that month, it was all you." He NEVER encouraged her to leave school, he just stood by her. There is a vast difference. He knew that at that point if he pushed her, he would lose her. Part of loving someone is letting go, and letting them make their own mistaked. Lorelai couldnt do that. Logan could.

As for Jess. Rory was already ready to go back. All he did was rail on her for her choices, and conveniently rewrite history. THis is the same guy that tried to get her to leave Yale, and move to NY with him. Lets not forget that. Logan never did that. He said to her, "You love school. I saw it, that doesnt just go away." And he was right, but Rory wasnt ready. Jess just had good timing.

Whether you like it or not, Lorelai did leave her daughter. "Tough love, baby." Thats what she said to Luke about it. She was bitter, and angry and hurt. She couldnt see past her own feelings. Logan could, and decided it was better to let his girlfriend come to the realization on his own.

And you guys make it sound like Logan had his own personal harem. He didnt. He was hurting, and alone, and missing her. So, he tried to revert to his old ways, and realized he couldnt, because he needed Rory. That doesnt make him evil, it makes him human. Rory was his first relationship. He took on his family for her, and was faithful until after the fight. Hell, even while in London, with a gorgeous colleague, he was faithful to Rory, and thought only of her.

[MiloIsOnFire69]

Wow.. long answer.

[Megan+Milo=<3]

any one else think that in this season rory and lorelei are kinda boring? I mean i still love the show but something is different.

[WaterRat]

Yeah I agree I've said it before that theyre just missing their spark.

But I also don't think Lorelai told Rory that she couldn't go home.

[go_clo]

Heather...I TOTALLY agree with everything you said!!! Very nicely put! :applause:

I'm surprised by how many people take the opinion that Rory was in the right during the whole debacle. In the Season 5 finale, I totally understood why Lorelai wouldn't want Rory to drop out. A lot of people say Lorelai should have trusted her because Rory had always been mature and responsible but she clearly was not thinking straight and acting the way she used to so why should she? Maybe this is a difference in beliefs but I would be equally horrified if my child told me she was dropping out of college and would definitely not encourage her and say, "that's ok honey, whatever you think is best: throw your life away, you're all of 20." I would be like Lorelai and try and teach her that you have to go on and not listen to the naysayers and keep focused. If that didn't work I would do anything I could not to make it easy for them to stay home, because life is not easy without an education and I think it's just horrible parenting to let your kid do something like that, especially when we're talking Yale.

I am not saying that Lorelai should have just been totally ok with Rory leaving school, I'm glad Lorelai was honest but Lorelai should have shown some sort of support later on after she had her say. Rory didn't say she was dropping out for good, she said she wanted a break which I think was totally resonable considering she has had a perfect school record and perfect attendance since kindergarden. Rory gave up alot to continue with school, she got in fights with her mom (small ones) about not wanting to take a day off from school to hang and now she is finally ready to and Lorelai gets mad and kicks her out! I think Rory was being silly about what Michem said and that shouldn't have been her reason for leaving school but I can understand why she was so upset. She was told by a professional writter that the dream she had had since she was young was dumb and wasn't right for her, she lost hope and confidence in herself.

But that is one thing. I believe that if Lorelai had had some time to calm down maybe she could have tried to work things through with Rory, but then Rory goes behind Lorelai's back to Emily and Richard. Not only that but she is in the house when Richard and Emily tell Lorelai, hiding out like a little baby, desperately in need of a reality check, but getting ready to be coddled like a spoiled rich kid.

Even that, I think Lorelai could have looked past. But then when Rory sees Lorelai standing out there, she looks at her and then turns away. That was the final straw for me. Afterwards the life that Rory begins to lead with Logan I stopped liking the character completely.

Yes she went to Emily and Richard, what else was she going to do? She didn't have a place on campus anymore, her mom clearly told her that if she left school, she wasn't aloud home at all. She wasn't just going to go live on the streets or go and get a new place because 1. she probably couldn't afford it and 2. she was only planning on living somewhere temporary, she wasn't gonna go and spend a whole wot of money on a place she wasn't planning on keeping.

Well what was she going to do? Go outside and get yelled at by her mom? Lorelai was clearly really upset, Rory wasn't just going to go out and get critisized for her actions. She heard everything her mom had to say to her! Lorelai didn't exactly go and make an effort either.

As for what brought Rory back to Yale what really bothered me was that whether you think it was Jess or you think it was Lorelai, it wasn't Logan, and that's always bothered me about him. Not that Rory should be his responsibility but still, it felt like instead of the good-girl-meets-bad-boy-bad-boy-changes-for-the-good scenario it was good-girl-meets-bad-boy-good-girl-changes-for-the-worse scenario. Now it seems like the tables have turned again and I'm glad.

Personally, I had always thought it was Jess. Probably because I am a Jess and Rory fan but even look at the Madelaine Albright thing, Rory was surrounded by people who just told her what she wanted to hear, a characteristic I cannot stand in people. They are afraid of the reaction that the person will have and instead say whatever the person wants to hear and pass it off as supportive. This is why Lorelai & Rory's relationship was above this. This is why I still thought in the sixth season Jess & Rory were far better suited than Logan. I've finally realized this is never going to happen and she's fine with Logan, but in the sixth season I still maintained that he was all wrong for her because what he was doing in my opinion showed he didn't know the real Rory.

Heather basically said everything I have to say on this matter. Logan stood by her, he didn't encourage her, he didn't make her or influence her to do it, he just didn't critisize her for wanting to leave school. It would have been nice to see him say more then "I'll give you a month" but he still tried. He saw what happened with Lorelai and Rory's relationship when Lorelai wouldn't support Rory and he wasn't prepared to let the same thing happen to him and Rory. He loved her and that is what people do when they love you.

Jess was being an idiot going back to Rory after BEGGING her to leave school for him. He goes, finds out she took time off yale and what does he do? He screams at her for it. What the heck kinda sence does that make? :wtf: He was being a hypocrite, a jerk! He wanted Rory to drop out for him but when she takes a break, he gets mad? Screams a bunch of lies at her and leaves looking like a hero? He wasn't, he just happened to be in the right place at the right time!

I also do not think that Lorelai "left Rory." She just said you're not going to bum around Stars Hollow, there's no way she would have kicked her out. Rory left and went to Richard and Emily and made it clear that she wanted nothing to do with Lorelai with the amount of disrespect she was showing towards her and the way she completely turned her back on her, literally in the one scene from season 5. Rory didn't get her way and for once Lorelai was being a Mom in the sense that she was telling her something she didnt want to hear and they werent agreeing and Rory couldn't deal with that so she went where she knew that she would get her way. Of course Lorelai was going to be shocked the way she was, Rory didn't even give her time to digest the information or work through it before packing up and getting her way behind Lorelai's back.

Like Heather said, she did leave Rory. She didn't fight for her, she didn't go and talk to her about there situation. Rory on the other hand did make an effort, she went to see Luke cause she was scared to go and talk to her mom afraid of her reaction, she goes and asks how Lorelai was and finds out that her mom got engaged and didn't tell her. Lorelai wasn't showing any love towards Rory at all and she definately wasn't showing that she wanted her back home. She went and told Rory off for going and seeing Luke for goodness sakes.

Well this is what I have to say on the matter, all my opinion, agree or disagree, its up to you ;)

Lorelai and Rory boring? Blasphemy! I love there scenes this season! :bgrin:

[lorelais]

any one else think that in this season rory and lorelei are kinda boring? I mean i still love the show but something is different.

I think the big difference is that David Rosenthal isn't Amy Sherman Palladino. A new showrunner means a new style, new writing, different directing, thus a different show. I wouldn't blame the characters.

But I also don't think Lorelai told Rory that she couldn't go home.

Yes she did:

LORELAI: So what’s the great master plan, then, huh? You’re going to move back home, live in your room, work part-time at the bookstore? Forget it. Not an option.

After this quote, Lorelai cut the conversation and walked out, letting Rory alone at Westin's.

I believe that Lorelai was desperate at that moment and didn't realize what she was saying. But her words sunk to Rory as "you quit school and you can't come back home". Rory wouldn't have moved in with her grandparents if Lorelai didn't make her believe that the door of the CS was closed to her.

[Heather]

You beat me to it, Lorelais. :lol:

Im actually enjoying this season alot more than last season. I think we need to remember that ASP left a trainwreck for DP to fix. Considering that, I think he's done a phenomenal job.

[lorelais]

You beat me to it, Lorelais. :lol:

What can I say? My eyes pop out everytime I read that Lorelai didn't tell Rory that she couldn't come back home. :lol:

I always loved both Lorelai and Rory and my heart broke when I started reading spoilers about their upcoming estrangement back in season 5. Before I knew why it would happen, I couldn't understand how Rory would leave her mother's house to move in with her grandparents. Then I watched A House is Not A Home and that scene at Westin's showed the reason: Lorelai, impulsively, kicked Rory out of the house.

Of course we can try to say that what Lorelai meant is that Rory couldn't stay at home working in a part-time job, that she needed to find a better job. But no matter how we try to explain Lorelai's words and meanings, the "come back home is not an option" was part of her speech.

And Lorelai, ultimately, realized that. Otherwise, she wouldn't be crying that "she was a bad mother" in 6.08.

Didn't I feel sorry for Lorelai? Yes, I did. Especially because I think she was in shock. After all, Rory was always a perfect daughter (almost utopic) and suddenly started behaving like a young version of the same Lorelai.

Maybe that's why Lorelai felt the need to act like Emily. ;)

Im actually enjoying this season alot more than last season. I think we need to remember that ASP left a trainwreck for DP to fix. Considering that, I think he's done a phenomenal job.

I still have mixed feelings about this season. But IA that DSR wasn't and still isn't in a easy situation. Even if ASP didn't have left the show the way she did, it's not easy to take over a show in its 7 season.

[go_clo]

I always loved both Lorelai and Rory and my heart broke when I started reading spoilers about their upcoming estrangement back in season 5. Before I knew why it would happen, I couldn't understand how Rory would leave her mother's house to move in with her grandparents. Then I watched A House is Not A Home and that scene at Westin's showed the reason: Lorelai, impulsively, kicked Rory out of the house.

I was upset about it too, I think I became more of a fan of them after they made up actually, I guess I didn't know what we had till it was gone. I was still pretty upset though while watching S6 (even though I wasn't as addicted with there relationship like I am now), I hated watching them fight :(

It actually took me a while after watching the rift to see how wrong I was about who's fault it was. I had to rewatch the first 9 episodes of season 6 3 times before I finally realized.

Of course we can try to say that what Lorelai meant is that Rory couldn't stay at home working in a part-time job, that she needed to find a better job. But no matter how we try to explain Lorelai's words and meanings, the "come back home is not an option" was part of her speech.

And Lorelai, ultimately, realized that. Otherwise, she wouldn't be crying that "she was a bad mother" in 6.08.

Didn't I feel sorry for Lorelai? Yes, I did. Especially because I think she was in shock. After all, Rory was always a perfect daughter (almost utopic) and suddenly started behaving like a young version of the same Lorelai.

Maybe that's why Lorelai felt the need to act like Emily. ;)

Even Lauren Graham didn't approve at all of Lorelais behavior during this whole situation!

I think it was possible that if Lorelai was given a little bit more time, she would have changed her mind on the matter but Rory didn't have time to sit around and wait, she had already quit school and moved out by the time she told Lorelai, she was obviously not aloud home so what else was she to do? I actually dont think Lorelai would have changed her mind, if she was going to any time soon, she wouldn't have went to her parents and she would have talked to Rory instead of standing outside the poolhouse watching her unpack her stuff. huh now that I think of it, Lorelai went behind Rorys back and betrayed her as well. Rory asked Lorelai not to go to Richard and Emily and Lorelai did anyways, kinda hypocritical if you ask me. :drunk:



Im actually enjoying this season alot more than last season. I think we need to remember that ASP left a trainwreck for DP to fix. Considering that, I think he's done a phenomenal job.

I agree, I totally love this season!
Its not the best season I dont think but this is DRs first season ever so its actually pretty amazing especially with the huge shoes he had to fill and what he was left to write with. He had to make up for 2 amazing writers given 2 crappy storylines and he has done an outstanding job so far, he is dragging stuff on a little too long though.

[Lorelike]

Here's the thing. As much as the show wants to immortalize the good-kid personality of Rory ,they also can't help but show that as much as she is different from her mom, they are actually very much alike. Amidst Rory's sensibilities, she still has that Lorelai streak which translates to stubbornness and independence. I actually like how Rory has grown to be. Everything and nothing like her mother.

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