Heather
06-09-2007, 12:15 AM
I dont know if you guys know about the immigration bill that the Senate proposed, but it was an atrocity (in my opinion). Conservative Americans showed up in mass numbers to protest this bill...and guess what! Democracy worked. Right now, the bill is dead.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A broad immigration bill to legalize millions of people in the United States unlawfully suffered a stunning setback in the Senate Thursday, costing President Bush perhaps his best opportunity to win a top domestic priority.
The bipartisan compromise championed by the president failed a crucial test when it could not attract even a simple majority for an effort to speed its passage.
Intense public concern over immigration across the country conspired with high political stakes to produce a roiling debate on the issue. Ultimately, those forces overwhelmed a painstakingly forged liberal-to-conservative alliance that sought to insulate their compromise from partisanship.
Supporters could muster only 45 votes to limit debate and speed the bill to final passage, 15 short of what was needed on the procedural maneuver. Fifty senators voted against cutting off debate.
Most Republicans voted to block Democrats' efforts to advance the measure.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, who had made no secret of his distaste for parts of the bill, quickly pulled it from the floor and moved on to other business, leaving its future uncertain.
He insisted that the bill was not dead, but a crowded Senate calendar complicates its prospects.
"I, even though disappointed, look forward to passing this bill," Reid said. "I have every desire to complete this legislation, and we all have to work -- the president included -- to figure out a way to get this bill passed."
The measure's chances are even murkier in the House, where Democratic leaders don't plan to act on the divisive issue until the Senate has finished work on it.
McConnell: 'We're giving up ... too soon'
Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, the minority leader, said Democrats tried to rush the bill.
"I think we're giving up on this bill too soon," McConnell said.
The legislation would tighten borders and institute a new system to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers, in addition to giving up to 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.
Conceived by an improbable coalition that nicknamed the deal a "grand bargain," the measure exposes deep rifts within both parties and is loathed by most GOP conservatives.
All but seven Republicans voted against ending debate, with many arguing they needed more time to make the bill tougher with tighter border security measures and a more arduous legalization process for unlawful immigrants. Thirty-eight Republicans and Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Vermont independent, opposed the procedural tactic.
All but 11 Democrats supported the move, but they, too, were holding their noses at provisions of the bill. Many of them argued it makes second-class citizens of a new crop of temporary workers and rips apart families by prioritizing employability over blood ties in future immigration.
Thirty-seven Democrats and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, voted to advance the measure.
Proponents had argued that the bill, on balance, was worth advancing.
"We can all find different aspects of this legislation that we differ with," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, the leading Democratic architect of the bill.
He held out hope after the vote that the measure would survive. "Doing nothing is not an alternative," Kennedy said. "This issue isn't going away."
"I believe that we will yet succeed," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, a framer of the bill who was one of few in his party who backed the procedural move.
The defeat for the compromise was the culmination of a week of ups and downs for the contentious immigration measure, which mirrored the tumultuous process that went into crafting it.
Kennedy partnered with Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, and several centrists to craft a bill that melded conservative themes of tougher border security and limiting immigration with the liberal goal of legalizing those who are in the U.S. unlawfully and welcoming future arrivals.
In the end, however, Kyl broke from the bipartisan clique that hatched the agreement, siding with Republicans who said they hadn't gotten enough chances to toughen the bill.
"It's time to scrap this mess of a bill," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, a conservative who had failed in several attempts to make the measure more punitive toward illegal immigrants.
Liberal groups, which had pressed hard for the measure's passage despite their many complaints about its elements, were dismayed at Thursday's result.
Frank Sharry, the executive director of the National Immigration Forum, called the vote "a huge disappointment to immigrant communities and those seeking a solution to the dysfunctional immigration system in America."
"We fear the result was a matter of politicians -- particularly Republicans -- not wanting to confront obstinate members of their own parties in order to let the majority's will -- and the people's will -- prevail.
The raucous congressional debate over immigration reflected the cloudy public sentiment about the issue documented in recent polls.
A survey conducted May 30-June 3 by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found overwhelming support -- among two-thirds of the public -- for giving illegal immigrants citizenship if they have jobs, pass background checks and pay fines.
But people were fairly ill-informed about the complex Senate measure, which less than one-third said they had heard a lot about.
Those who had heard at least a little about it were split on the Senate measure. Of that group, 33 percent favor the bill, 41 percent oppose and 26 percent gave no response or said they didn't know. Republicans opposed it by 43 percent to 36 percent, Democrats by 37 percent to 33 percent, and independents by 46 percent to 31 percent.
OK...let me just say, that this bill was a joke. This CNN article makes it sound like a good thing. It wasnt. It was an atrocity, and Im glad its dead. Immigration goes hand in hand with national security, and this bill threatened that.
Im glad that people came out in mass numbers to object to it. And FINALLY our represenatives were forced to listen to our voices. That is why this bill is dead. The people said, "We have had enough" and used their voices.
The silent majority will no longer be silent.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A broad immigration bill to legalize millions of people in the United States unlawfully suffered a stunning setback in the Senate Thursday, costing President Bush perhaps his best opportunity to win a top domestic priority.
The bipartisan compromise championed by the president failed a crucial test when it could not attract even a simple majority for an effort to speed its passage.
Intense public concern over immigration across the country conspired with high political stakes to produce a roiling debate on the issue. Ultimately, those forces overwhelmed a painstakingly forged liberal-to-conservative alliance that sought to insulate their compromise from partisanship.
Supporters could muster only 45 votes to limit debate and speed the bill to final passage, 15 short of what was needed on the procedural maneuver. Fifty senators voted against cutting off debate.
Most Republicans voted to block Democrats' efforts to advance the measure.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, who had made no secret of his distaste for parts of the bill, quickly pulled it from the floor and moved on to other business, leaving its future uncertain.
He insisted that the bill was not dead, but a crowded Senate calendar complicates its prospects.
"I, even though disappointed, look forward to passing this bill," Reid said. "I have every desire to complete this legislation, and we all have to work -- the president included -- to figure out a way to get this bill passed."
The measure's chances are even murkier in the House, where Democratic leaders don't plan to act on the divisive issue until the Senate has finished work on it.
McConnell: 'We're giving up ... too soon'
Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, the minority leader, said Democrats tried to rush the bill.
"I think we're giving up on this bill too soon," McConnell said.
The legislation would tighten borders and institute a new system to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers, in addition to giving up to 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.
Conceived by an improbable coalition that nicknamed the deal a "grand bargain," the measure exposes deep rifts within both parties and is loathed by most GOP conservatives.
All but seven Republicans voted against ending debate, with many arguing they needed more time to make the bill tougher with tighter border security measures and a more arduous legalization process for unlawful immigrants. Thirty-eight Republicans and Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Vermont independent, opposed the procedural tactic.
All but 11 Democrats supported the move, but they, too, were holding their noses at provisions of the bill. Many of them argued it makes second-class citizens of a new crop of temporary workers and rips apart families by prioritizing employability over blood ties in future immigration.
Thirty-seven Democrats and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, voted to advance the measure.
Proponents had argued that the bill, on balance, was worth advancing.
"We can all find different aspects of this legislation that we differ with," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, the leading Democratic architect of the bill.
He held out hope after the vote that the measure would survive. "Doing nothing is not an alternative," Kennedy said. "This issue isn't going away."
"I believe that we will yet succeed," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, a framer of the bill who was one of few in his party who backed the procedural move.
The defeat for the compromise was the culmination of a week of ups and downs for the contentious immigration measure, which mirrored the tumultuous process that went into crafting it.
Kennedy partnered with Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, and several centrists to craft a bill that melded conservative themes of tougher border security and limiting immigration with the liberal goal of legalizing those who are in the U.S. unlawfully and welcoming future arrivals.
In the end, however, Kyl broke from the bipartisan clique that hatched the agreement, siding with Republicans who said they hadn't gotten enough chances to toughen the bill.
"It's time to scrap this mess of a bill," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, a conservative who had failed in several attempts to make the measure more punitive toward illegal immigrants.
Liberal groups, which had pressed hard for the measure's passage despite their many complaints about its elements, were dismayed at Thursday's result.
Frank Sharry, the executive director of the National Immigration Forum, called the vote "a huge disappointment to immigrant communities and those seeking a solution to the dysfunctional immigration system in America."
"We fear the result was a matter of politicians -- particularly Republicans -- not wanting to confront obstinate members of their own parties in order to let the majority's will -- and the people's will -- prevail.
The raucous congressional debate over immigration reflected the cloudy public sentiment about the issue documented in recent polls.
A survey conducted May 30-June 3 by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found overwhelming support -- among two-thirds of the public -- for giving illegal immigrants citizenship if they have jobs, pass background checks and pay fines.
But people were fairly ill-informed about the complex Senate measure, which less than one-third said they had heard a lot about.
Those who had heard at least a little about it were split on the Senate measure. Of that group, 33 percent favor the bill, 41 percent oppose and 26 percent gave no response or said they didn't know. Republicans opposed it by 43 percent to 36 percent, Democrats by 37 percent to 33 percent, and independents by 46 percent to 31 percent.
OK...let me just say, that this bill was a joke. This CNN article makes it sound like a good thing. It wasnt. It was an atrocity, and Im glad its dead. Immigration goes hand in hand with national security, and this bill threatened that.
Im glad that people came out in mass numbers to object to it. And FINALLY our represenatives were forced to listen to our voices. That is why this bill is dead. The people said, "We have had enough" and used their voices.
The silent majority will no longer be silent.