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Heather · 04-04-2007, 09:54 PM

Webeh,

The novel is Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard.

And yes, I know the cramming at the end of a semester very well. There never seems to be enough time for teachers to cover everything, no matter how hard we try.

Webeh · 04-04-2007, 10:14 PM

It was Dianetics? Hmm... I thought it would be from a book that was more like 1984.

BellaBlack · 04-05-2007, 07:31 PM

Wait, scientology is based on a science fiction novel? That's..odd?

Andrew · 04-05-2007, 10:40 PM

Well... some can argue the same for the bible and christianity; how it's not a literal text, but allegorical stories.

Though yeah... an eyebrow raises with the mention of robots.

Webeh · 04-05-2007, 11:46 PM

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Well... some can argue the same for the bible and christianity; how it's not a literal text, but allegorical stories.

Back in high school, my religion teacher actually made this argument. She firmly believed that the stories like Noah's Arc never really happened. (She was a cool religion teacher. Students could say whatever the heck they wanted and she would be totally open to that.) Rather, they were stories meant to get a message across.

BellaBlack · 04-06-2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Well... some can argue the same for the bible and christianity; how it's not a literal text, but allegorical stories.

Though yeah... an eyebrow raises with the mention of robots.

Haha ditto Andrew, I was like

when I read it was based from a sci fi novel..

Heather · 04-07-2007, 08:43 AM

All religions are allegorical stories, Andrew. Thats not the point, and really wasnt the question. The question was do Scientologists really believe that we are inhabited by the souls of aliens that lived centuries ago. Thats going beyond the allegorical.

About the OT stories, there is actual historical and archeological information to back up the major ones like the Flood, and the Plagues of Egypt. I mean, if the Plagues were just meant as a story, why are they found in Egyptian hieroglyphics as well as in the Old Testament and Jewish Torah?

Andrew · 04-07-2007, 10:02 PM

What I was referring to was how people interpret the scripture. There are some who live by every word in the bible, believing it to be truth in every way. Then there are others who view it as folklore-ish stories, possibly embellished or even fabricated altogether, but still embodying the same message.

In regards to the former interpretation of the text: what makes the idea of Moses parting water or Noah building an arc and collecting two of each animal (apparently also including dinosaurs) that much tamer in comparison to "alien souls"?

Or in other words...
"alien souls" = absurd.
Moses controlling water = not?

And yes, history does show that certain events (or similar events) occured throughout the past, but doesn't history also show us that people used stories and mythology in order to explain things that couldn't be explained?

A catastrophic flood, a plague in Egypt; both of these events are often referred to using a religious context, but is that really the case? Couldn't it be another case of mythos?

Webeh · 04-08-2007, 02:53 AM

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The question was do Scientologists really believe that we are inhabited by the souls of aliens that lived centuries ago.

Honestly, this kind of just sounds like their version of ghosts or spirits. I guess Scientology's interpretation of things might just have a bit more of a science fiction twist to them.

It would be interesting to take a closer look at Scientology and see how many parallels we can find with Christianity.

Kari · 04-08-2007, 02:55 AM

I think basically Scientology is trying to make as much money as possible and I do not believe that the convictions there are very deep, and if people decide to still fall for it...oh, well.

Webeh · 04-08-2007, 02:59 AM

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I think basically Scientology is trying to make as much money as possible and I do not believe that the convictions there are very deep, and if people decide to still fall for it...oh, well.

I'd have to agree with that. If you are not the wealthiest person ever and become a scientologist, it's very unfortunate. Apparently, each member must donate a percentage of their annual income to the organization. I think this is why many members are fairly wealthy.

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Andrew Hollywood Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,280	Well... some can argue the same for the bible and christianity; how it's not a literal text, but allegorical stories. Though yeah... an eyebrow raises with the mention of robots. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter! __________________ Gone.

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Heather Political Junkie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In fields of gold Posts: 19,202	All religions are allegorical stories, Andrew. Thats not the point, and really wasnt the question. The question was do Scientologists really believe that we are inhabited by the souls of aliens that lived centuries ago. Thats going beyond the allegorical. About the OT stories, there is actual historical and archeological information to back up the major ones like the Flood, and the Plagues of Egypt. I mean, if the Plagues were just meant as a story, why are they found in Egyptian hieroglyphics as well as in the Old Testament and Jewish Torah? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter! __________________ And so the lion fell in love with the lamb. -What a stupid lamb -What a sick, masochistic lion -Edward and Bella

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04-07-2007, 10:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
Andrew Hollywood Star Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,280	What I was referring to was how people interpret the scripture. There are some who live by every word in the bible, believing it to be truth in every way. Then there are others who view it as folklore-ish stories, possibly embellished or even fabricated altogether, but still embodying the same message. In regards to the former interpretation of the text: what makes the idea of Moses parting water or Noah building an arc and collecting two of each animal (apparently also including dinosaurs) that much tamer in comparison to "alien souls"? Or in other words... "alien souls" = absurd. Moses controlling water = not? And yes, history does show that certain events (or similar events) occured throughout the past, but doesn't history also show us that people used stories and mythology in order to explain things that couldn't be explained? A catastrophic flood, a plague in Egypt; both of these events are often referred to using a religious context, but is that really the case? Couldn't it be another case of mythos? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter! __________________ Gone.

04-08-2007, 02:55 AM	#25 (permalink)
Kari RPG Assistant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Near Frankfurt/Main Posts: 14,358	I think basically Scientology is trying to make as much money as possible and I do not believe that the convictions there are very deep, and if people decide to still fall for it...oh, well. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter! __________________ The Literabbits I discovered that my castles stand upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand