US Politics #7

[Heather]

Old Thread

Hey has anyone heard about the tea parties happening across the US, in response to the Obama administration and the over the top spending?

And by tea party, I mean, 1776 style...

[Senorjustino]

Yeah this looks good. I'll glad people are taking their anger out onto the streets.

Nationwide Tax Day Tea Party :: April 15th, 2009

Looks like there are going to be tea parties country wide on tax-day.

[Heather]

Its so funny that you posted that...lol.

I accepted a Facebook invite to the one in Morristown, NJ earlier today.

[Senorjustino]

Yeah I just joined the national tea party group on Facebook.

[Senorjustino]

Good read:

Asserting Sovereignty - Tenth Amendment Center

I'll post more as I see them. It's time to start moving the states out of the Union if we are going to continue along this socialist path.

[Senorjustino]

Another site to check out with good articles:

MoveOnAgain.com

[Heather]

A recommended read:

Liberty & Tyranny

Conservative talk radio's fastest-growing superstar is also a New York Times bestselling phenomenon: the author of the groundbreaking critique of the Supreme Court, Men in Black, and the deeply personal dog lover's memoir Rescuing Sprite, Mark R. Levin now delivers the book that characterizes both his devotion to his more than 5 million listeners and his love of our country and the legacy of our Founding Fathers: Liberty and Tyranny is Mark R. Levin's clarion call to conservative America, a new manifesto for the conservative movement for the 21st century.

In the face of the modern liberal assault on Constitution-based values, an attack that has steadily snowballed since President Roosevelt's New Deal of the 1930s and resulted in a federal government that is a massive, unaccountable conglomerate, the time for re-enforcing the intellectual and practical case for conservatism is now. Conservative beliefs in individual freedoms do in the end stand for liberty for all Americans, while liberal dictates lead to the breakdown of civilized society -- in short, tyranny. Looking back to look to the future, Levin writes "conservatism is the antidote to tyranny precisely because its principles are our founding principles." And in a series of powerful essays, Levin lays out how conservatives can counter the liberal corrosion that has filtered into every timely issue affecting our daily lives, from the economy to health care, global warming, immigration, and more -- and illustrates how change, as seen through the conservative lens, is always prudent, and always an enhancement to individual freedom.

As provocative, well-reasoned, robust, and informed as his on-air commentary, Levin's narrative will galvanize readers to begin a new era in conservative thinking and action. Liberty and Tyranny provides a philosophical, historical, and practical framework for revitalizing the conservative vision and ensuring the preservation of American society.

About the Author
Mark R. Levin is a nationally syndicated talk radio host and president of Landmark Legal Foundation. He has also worked as an attorney in the private sector and as a top adviser and administrator to several members of President Reagan's cabinet. The author of the New York Times bestselling books Rescuing Sprite and Men in Black: How the Supreme Court Is Destroying America, Mark holds a B.A. from Temple University and a J.D. from Temple University School of Law.

I cant wait to get my copy!

[Senorjustino]

Very cool.

Here is a weapon that the states could use: Nullification.

A solid article on the subject:

Nullification: The Jeffersonian Brake on Government - Tenth Amendment Center

[Senorjustino]

Some articles about health care in Canada. Can some of our Canadian friends comment on how accurate/biased these articles are?

CANADACARE MAY HAVE KILLED NATASHA - New York Post

Could Natasha Richardson had lived if her accident happened in the States?

globeandmail.com: Why Ontario keeps sending patients south

This article asks why Canadians are being sent south. One patient was sent to Detroit for help--that does mean things are really bad in Canada that they have to send someone to Detroit?

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care by David Gratzer, City Journal Summer 2007

A Canadian doctor who was once supportive of state sponsored health care is now against it. I'm bringing these articles up not to knock Canada but because this is such a pressing topic in American politics. It's good to hear both sides of the story.

[Senorjustino]

Got this email today from a friend;

Reasons to Secede today:

1. Lack of border protection thus allowing swarms of illegal immigrants to come and live off the good graces of the people. Damaging our culture, language and lowering our security as sovereign citizens of our respective States and of America.

2. Creating new offices and appointing new officers with out the consent of the people to come and harass the Sovereign citizens and deprive them of liberty and other properties without due cause or process. This has chiefly come from the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security.

3. A judicial system that has overstepped its boundaries and disregarded the demands of the people and both Houses of Congress.

4. The Supreme Court passing laws that not only are unconstitutional but taking and ruling on case which have no Constitutional grounds what so ever.

5. By allowing imminent domain and taking by force private property to be given to corporation and individuals with large financial resources.

6. The Congress has acted on fear and not on law with regards to war.

7. The President engaging in an unconstitutional war and sending over 2,000 Sovereign citizens to their death.

8. By allowing convicted murders and molesters to walk free from justice after serving only a few years in prison.

9. By passing resolutions against the Judeo-Christian foundation of our country and demanding the removal of the Ten Commandments from public buildings despite the outrage of the citizenry.

10. By forcefully removing judges from office because they refused to disobey their oath to uphold the laws of their State.

11. The federal government has placed the military in a separate and superior position to the citizen armies and militia and placed them over the populace.

12. The federal government has allowed incorrect facts about history to be taught thus lowering and removing our children’s pride in their heritage and culture.

13. The federal government has allowed special interest groups to govern local policies.

14. The federal government has failed to act quickly in times of natural disasters locally yet they rapidly send 10s of millions of dollars to nations thousands of miles away.

15. By allowing the American Indian populations to continue to live in substandard housing and forcing them to remain on reservations.

16. By depriving many Sovereign citizens the right to trial and jury in effort to speed up the governments own agenda.

17. The federal government has kept many medical drugs from being available to the public due to the bureaucracy and greed of the FDA and large companies.

18. By not placing restrictions on oil companies thus forcing the people to pay record prices and the companies receive record profits.

19. The federal government has violated the 1st Amendment by placing restrictions on the private citizen’s ability to worship, by placing regulations on the free press, by implementing large fines in order for the people to peaceably assemble.

20. The federal government has violated the 2nd Amendment by placing fines and restrictions on gun ownership and in several cases denying that right to law abiding citizens all together.

21. The federal government has violated the 4th Amendment by searching and seizing the properties of Sovereign citizens without probable cause or due process and in some cases without a warrant issued by a judge.

22. The federal government has violated the 8th Amendment by imposing bails of over 1 million dollars in many cases.

23. The federal government has violated the 9th Amendment in using farfetched laws and rulings to deny the rights of the Sovereign citizen.

24. The federal government has violated the 10th Amendment by refusing the right of the people to secede peacefully in 1860, and by passing rulings and resolutions with no bases in Constitutional Law.

25. The federal government has in times passed, authorized the suspension of Habeas Corpus and passed ex post facto laws in direct violation of the Constitution.

26. The federal government has numerous times usurped the Constitutions of the several States.

27. The federal government has given partial sovereignty to the United Nations thus lessening our ability to rule ourselves as we see fit.

28. The federal government not only has violated its own laws but the international laws of which the government has aligned its self, to wit;

Article 2 Declaration of Human Rights - denied rights to Sovereign citizens based on their political opinion.

Article 3 - Allowing the mass murder of children.

Article 12 - Interfering with the private lives of individuals and their families without cause.

Article 17 - Violating the right of the individual to own property, and having it arbitrarily removed.

Article 23 - The federal government has allowed corporations to deny the citizens right to join a union.

Article 25 - Denying the rights of the Sovereign citizens and the American Indians to have a standard of living adequate to maintain good health and well being.

29. The Southern States never surrendered and thus according to law are still an independent sovereign nation.

30. The federal government refused the rights of some 2 million Southerners after the War for Southern Independence.

31. The federal government has violated and broken the rights and regulation set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights thus nullifying them and rendering the union between governments and State ineffective.

[ky2here]

Are there any Liberals left around here?

[ky2here]

Originally Posted by Senorjustino

Got this email today from a friend;

Reasons to Secede today:

1. Lack of border protection thus allowing swarms of illegal immigrants to come and live off the good graces of the people. Damaging our culture, language and lowering our security as sovereign citizens of our respective States and of America.

2. Creating new offices and appointing new officers with out the consent of the people to come and harass the Sovereign citizens and deprive them of liberty and other properties without due cause or process. This has chiefly come from the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security.

3. A judicial system that has overstepped its boundaries and disregarded the demands of the people and both Houses of Congress.

4. The Supreme Court passing laws that not only are unconstitutional but taking and ruling on case which have no Constitutional grounds what so ever.

5. By allowing imminent domain and taking by force private property to be given to corporation and individuals with large financial resources.

6. The Congress has acted on fear and not on law with regards to war.

7. The President engaging in an unconstitutional war and sending over 2,000 Sovereign citizens to their death.

8. By allowing convicted murders and molesters to walk free from justice after serving only a few years in prison.

9. By passing resolutions against the Judeo-Christian foundation of our country and demanding the removal of the Ten Commandments from public buildings despite the outrage of the citizenry.

10. By forcefully removing judges from office because they refused to disobey their oath to uphold the laws of their State.

11. The federal government has placed the military in a separate and superior position to the citizen armies and militia and placed them over the populace.

12. The federal government has allowed incorrect facts about history to be taught thus lowering and removing our children’s pride in their heritage and culture.

13. The federal government has allowed special interest groups to govern local policies.

14. The federal government has failed to act quickly in times of natural disasters locally yet they rapidly send 10s of millions of dollars to nations thousands of miles away.

15. By allowing the American Indian populations to continue to live in substandard housing and forcing them to remain on reservations.

16. By depriving many Sovereign citizens the right to trial and jury in effort to speed up the governments own agenda.

17. The federal government has kept many medical drugs from being available to the public due to the bureaucracy and greed of the FDA and large companies.

18. By not placing restrictions on oil companies thus forcing the people to pay record prices and the companies receive record profits.

19. The federal government has violated the 1st Amendment by placing restrictions on the private citizen’s ability to worship, by placing regulations on the free press, by implementing large fines in order for the people to peaceably assemble.

20. The federal government has violated the 2nd Amendment by placing fines and restrictions on gun ownership and in several cases denying that right to law abiding citizens all together.

21. The federal government has violated the 4th Amendment by searching and seizing the properties of Sovereign citizens without probable cause or due process and in some cases without a warrant issued by a judge.

22. The federal government has violated the 8th Amendment by imposing bails of over 1 million dollars in many cases.

23. The federal government has violated the 9th Amendment in using farfetched laws and rulings to deny the rights of the Sovereign citizen.

24. The federal government has violated the 10th Amendment by refusing the right of the people to secede peacefully in 1860, and by passing rulings and resolutions with no bases in Constitutional Law.

25. The federal government has in times passed, authorized the suspension of Habeas Corpus and passed ex post facto laws in direct violation of the Constitution.

26. The federal government has numerous times usurped the Constitutions of the several States.

27. The federal government has given partial sovereignty to the United Nations thus lessening our ability to rule ourselves as we see fit.

28. The federal government not only has violated its own laws but the international laws of which the government has aligned its self, to wit;

Article 2 Declaration of Human Rights - denied rights to Sovereign citizens based on their political opinion.

Article 3 - Allowing the mass murder of children.

Article 12 - Interfering with the private lives of individuals and their families without cause.

Article 17 - Violating the right of the individual to own property, and having it arbitrarily removed.

Article 23 - The federal government has allowed corporations to deny the citizens right to join a union.

Article 25 - Denying the rights of the Sovereign citizens and the American Indians to have a standard of living adequate to maintain good health and well being.

29. The Southern States never surrendered and thus according to law are still an independent sovereign nation.

30. The federal government refused the rights of some 2 million Southerners after the War for Southern Independence.

31. The federal government has violated and broken the rights and regulation set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights thus nullifying them and rendering the union between governments and State ineffective.

"Cowards cut and run!"

Jean Schmidt, R-OH to Jack Murtha

How quickly you forget!

[*Ashlee*]

Healthcare in Canada is tricky and has its flaws but it also wonderful. I mean, some wait times are well...not ideal but everyone can get medical care. It isnt about who can afford it or who can afford the treatment/insurance, its just..there. I mean I just had to have unexpected surgery which i would not have been able to afford elsewhere. I got in quick! I was taken care of! And what did it cost me=nothing!

I had a family friend who went to Florida last year and got ill and what not and they tried to charge him 40000 bucks in the states for going to the ER. thankfully he had a good job here and his benefits covered it but wow. just, wow.

I understand in the states how wait times are little and such but it just seems like a double edged sword and i honestly think both Canada and the US need to look at their healthcare systems and make some changes perhaps.

[Heather]

Originally Posted by ky2here

"Cowards cut and run!"

Jean Schmidt, R-OH to Jack Murtha

How quickly you forget!

Its not about cutting and running. Its about watching the complete destruction of society and system of government that you love, and hold dear.

Yes, I am a Conservative. Which means, I am a Constitutionalist. I believe that the Founders knew what they were doing, and created a system of government unparalleled by any nation before, or since (no offense).

And that government that they envisioned has slowly deteriorated over the past century to where we stand now. Where it is completely unrecognizable. The Constitution is no longer viewed as the guidelines by which to govern, but rather something to circumvent.

And that is something I will never agree to, or condone.

From John Adams:

Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among the people.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

And from Thomas Jefferson:

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the path of destruction.

No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Was Thomas Jefferson psychic as well?

So I see a revolution in our future? Yes, I do. But it wont be as simple as the Civil War. Its not North against South. Its a war of ideologies.

[Manon]

I just don't get people that don't want anything to change from the original constitution. It was written many many years ago, and things have to be updated and changed to be applicable in these times.
You can't live by the same rules and laws that were written over 200 years ago. The only way to improve, is to change. You can't just stay the same and expect everything to get better