Colin Cunningham / John Pope

Essy · 06-18-2012, 01:10 PM

John Pope

John Pope, the leader of a band of marauders, introduces himself to the 2nd Mass by taking a group of hostages and offering to exchange their freedom for weapons. For reasons known only to him, this smart, resourceful and charismatic ex-con takes great pleasure in killing Skitters, even hunting them like wild game. A shameless opportunist, Pope considers the invasion the best thing that ever happened to him. Despite all his questionable motives, Pope remains a powerful member of the 2nd Mass.

BuffyGroupie · 06-25-2012, 11:34 AM

I have a Pope rant.

I just don't get why no one really likes or trusts him. Sure, he's a jerk, but other than that, he's done a lot for the 2nd Mass and they just don't give him any credit.

He has so many skill sets that make him very useful in the new world order, which most of them didn't have. He brought them good food, bullets that can take down mechs, bombs, more motorcycles....plus he's willing to handle all the crap no one else wants to deal with. But they just treat him so badly.

When Pope got away from Clayton's ranch, he could have just run, but he chose to single-handedly take on all those guys to help out the kids from the 2nd Mass, even calling out to Hal to get his head down, when it would clearly show his position to Clayton. And he got shot! But Tom still didn't trust him and took his weapon away. Even then, Pope went back to the 2nd Mass and agreed to help make the bombs.

Plus, they always talk about how he's a convict with the implication being that he was in there for murder, but we've never seen him kill anyone. He had the chance to kill Clayton's guy when he escaped, he could have cause the guy was out cold, but he didn't, he just spit on him. They said he killed the guy's brother, but we didn't see that, so who knows what happened.

When Tom and Pope were talking, back when he first captured them, he made comments about how people don't like it when you kill others, even bad guys. Maybe that means he killed someone, but it was to help or protect someone else, possibly children, since he does seem to like them.

Plus, he told them he wasn't going to kill them. He knew who they were all along and he was just playing with them. He wanted to trade them for weapons. He didn't really hurt any of them, but Maggie killed his brother! And he's never brought that up to her or anyone. Maggie seems to hate him, but not really for what he did to her, cause he took her in and kept her alive, but for what he allowed to happen to her in his camp.

Perhaps I'm feeling empathy for the villain - cause I do that, who doesn't love a bad boy - but I think it's more than that.

I understand that Pope is abrasive and doesn't behave in a way that endears him to others. But he's mostly right and he keeps getting beat down for it. Tom is a danger to them right now, they have no idea what the aliens did to him, yet the others treat him like he's their Savior. Pope has done more to help the 2nd Mass than Tom has. Tom mostly spouts history which, while entertaining and occasionally inspiring, does not feed anyone or kill monsters.

Blowing up the bridge with Tom on it was a sucky thing to do, but even Tom was yelling for them to do it and you have to think about the greater good. They were all just standing there with skitters and mechs headed right for them. If the bridge wasn't blown up, they could have completely run down and decimated what was left of the 2nd Mass. He even apologized to Hal, not nicely, but then when is he ever nice. But he got smacked down.

Trying to get rid of Tom on his own wasn't great of him either, but again, it's about the greater good. Tom could be a risk and he wasn't going to kill him, he was letting him leave.

When Anthony was hurt, Pope stayed with him, even though he acts like he hates him and says terrible things to him, he stayed and then got him back to safety as soon as he could. He saved Anthony's life. And he gave Tom his favorite toy - which Tom used to destroy the structure - without a backward glance. He didn't have to do any of that, but once again, he has an eye to the greater good.

Am I just looking at this all wrong??

When his whole group refused to go with him, that seemed way out in left field to me, too. Why wouldn't they want to side with him?

I don't get why people can't see past Pope's bad behavior to what he's done for them, and yet they seem ready to follow Tom, who has actually done very little for the community at large, into Hell.

Sure, Pope's actions are mostly based on enjoyment in killing things, but Tom's have been based on helping his kids.

06-18-2012, 01:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Essy Administrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pa. Posts: 11,892	Colin Cunningham / John Pope John Pope John Pope, the leader of a band of marauders, introduces himself to the 2nd Mass by taking a group of hostages and offering to exchange their freedom for weapons. For reasons known only to him, this smart, resourceful and charismatic ex-con takes great pleasure in killing Skitters, even hunting them like wild game. A shameless opportunist, Pope considers the invasion the best thing that ever happened to him. Despite all his questionable motives, Pope remains a powerful member of the 2nd Mass. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter! __________________ ☞♥ True Blood forums Darkness of the Sunlight RPG Night Clubs☞♥☮♥Twitter♥☮♥

06-25-2012, 11:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
BuffyGroupie Groupie Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4	I have a Pope rant. I just don't get why no one really likes or trusts him. Sure, he's a jerk, but other than that, he's done a lot for the 2nd Mass and they just don't give him any credit. He has so many skill sets that make him very useful in the new world order, which most of them didn't have. He brought them good food, bullets that can take down mechs, bombs, more motorcycles....plus he's willing to handle all the crap no one else wants to deal with. But they just treat him so badly. When Pope got away from Clayton's ranch, he could have just run, but he chose to single-handedly take on all those guys to help out the kids from the 2nd Mass, even calling out to Hal to get his head down, when it would clearly show his position to Clayton. And he got shot! But Tom still didn't trust him and took his weapon away. Even then, Pope went back to the 2nd Mass and agreed to help make the bombs. Plus, they always talk about how he's a convict with the implication being that he was in there for murder, but we've never seen him kill anyone. He had the chance to kill Clayton's guy when he escaped, he could have cause the guy was out cold, but he didn't, he just spit on him. They said he killed the guy's brother, but we didn't see that, so who knows what happened. When Tom and Pope were talking, back when he first captured them, he made comments about how people don't like it when you kill others, even bad guys. Maybe that means he killed someone, but it was to help or protect someone else, possibly children, since he does seem to like them. Plus, he told them he wasn't going to kill them. He knew who they were all along and he was just playing with them. He wanted to trade them for weapons. He didn't really hurt any of them, but Maggie killed his brother! And he's never brought that up to her or anyone. Maggie seems to hate him, but not really for what he did to her, cause he took her in and kept her alive, but for what he allowed to happen to her in his camp. Perhaps I'm feeling empathy for the villain - cause I do that, who doesn't love a bad boy - but I think it's more than that. I understand that Pope is abrasive and doesn't behave in a way that endears him to others. But he's mostly right and he keeps getting beat down for it. Tom is a danger to them right now, they have no idea what the aliens did to him, yet the others treat him like he's their Savior. Pope has done more to help the 2nd Mass than Tom has. Tom mostly spouts history which, while entertaining and occasionally inspiring, does not feed anyone or kill monsters. Blowing up the bridge with Tom on it was a sucky thing to do, but even Tom was yelling for them to do it and you have to think about the greater good. They were all just standing there with skitters and mechs headed right for them. If the bridge wasn't blown up, they could have completely run down and decimated what was left of the 2nd Mass. He even apologized to Hal, not nicely, but then when is he ever nice. But he got smacked down. Trying to get rid of Tom on his own wasn't great of him either, but again, it's about the greater good. Tom could be a risk and he wasn't going to kill him, he was letting him leave. When Anthony was hurt, Pope stayed with him, even though he acts like he hates him and says terrible things to him, he stayed and then got him back to safety as soon as he could. He saved Anthony's life. And he gave Tom his favorite toy - which Tom used to destroy the structure - without a backward glance. He didn't have to do any of that, but once again, he has an eye to the greater good. Am I just looking at this all wrong?? When his whole group refused to go with him, that seemed way out in left field to me, too. Why wouldn't they want to side with him? I don't get why people can't see past Pope's bad behavior to what he's done for them, and yet they seem ready to follow Tom, who has actually done very little for the community at large, into Hell. Sure, Pope's actions are mostly based on enjoyment in killing things, but Tom's have been based on helping his kids. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter!

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