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Old 11-07-2006, 02:48 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Thanks for the clip Jim, I'll DL it tomorrow when I have more bandwidth.

From what I've read there was nothing new in it but I can't wait to see the dress and fishnet stocking someone said she wore!
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Thanks for the promos Jim!

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yep! wrong guy, wrong city, wrong time, just wrong!
Please don't let them eat Lobster after they get married...that would just make it even worse...
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Thanks Jim I needed that

ETA - mrs.reid well it's hard to full complain if you don't see the eps, and I'm betting that's what DSR is planning on, even if they hate the ep they will have watched so they get the ratings and that's all they want.

I betting doesn't rate any where near WBB, it might beat Lanes wedding though.
Yeah, all I can do is give out empty threats. But I'm not as happy when Tuesday rolls around as I used to be, I barely missed it last week! Ugh. I'm dreading tonight, really... and I think I'm too overly critical at this point to really enjoy the show. There's just certain things I'm waiting to see, and if they don't happen in the episode, it's deemed unwatchable, for the most part, unless there's good funny bits. But, I must have a different definition of funny. Useless blabing isn't FUNNY usually. A funny Lorelai bit is in S1, when she says something like, "with dialup you can do some dancing, walk around, maybe make a sandwich... but with dsl there's nothing, and you starve!" Or it's the shoutouts to my favorite books/movies/musical artists....And to me, it just isn't as funny. I mean, Chris/Lorelai have some good prattle, cute prattle even... but it's not hilarious, and it's not even funny. A good Lorelai/Rory episode is the whole mattress exchange episode at yale... I think I'm going to rewatch that, the teaser opener always makes me laugh, "You can stir a coffee with a stick, but you can't drive a stick." "I think that stick is somewhere else right now" lol.

Maybe stuff like that can cheer me up. Now, the arguments between Luke/Lorelai because of the mattress thing... now that's good stuff, or when Luke makes a friend at Yale!

I forget what this episode coming up intails, but.. I'm hoping it has some GOOD Emily/Richard parts... Or Michel. I mean, at least if we can't have Lorelai back, can we please have Michel, and Paris?
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I think this season must be called "Back to the future", first Lorelai is going to marry Chris, something that must had happened in previous seasons not now that she was with Luke and then Rory after being for so long with a rich boy, studying in Yale because her grandparents or daddy pay for it, living between the richs because of Logan,etc., without any complain, now she goes againts those rich people and in the worst moment using an invitation to an event in which her boyfriend was the host.
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I think this season must be called "Back to the future", first Lorelai is going to marry Chris, something that must had happened in previous seasons not now that she was with Luke and then Rory after being for so long with a rich boy, studying in Yale because her grandparents or daddy pay for it, living between the richs because of Logan,etc., without any complain, now she goes againts those rich people and in the worst moment using an invitation to an event in which her boyfriend was the host.
Without seeing the episode, I can only say that I'll probably be siding with Logan on this particular battle. ALTHOUGH--- I am glad that if that's how Rory felt she could say so, and be honest. But I can't help but think that either her knew friends are giving her a slightly different view of people (think of how Marty felt about the "rich" kids), or Rory's acting out. Do you think because she's not feeling included she would critisize? I'd hate to see Rory go in rewind, but Lorelai is, like you say, so why not Rory too? She can be immature, and make stupid decisions. Anyone of any age can. It's just that, after the last episode, when Rory admittedly was honest about Bobbi, I just felt ... you know...proud of her! Good for her being so upfront, I don't know if I would have done the same (and would her own mother of?... Hard to say lol).

It's funny. I haven't thought of Rory as rich. Although, she never went without ANYTHING. She graduated from highschool and got her own car. She never went without love, or money. There was only a brief time in S5 when she didn't have a goal, or hope. But she cannot say anything about getting handouts, she's been given out handouts all her life. Although she is a hardworker, and forever greatful, why didn't she ever want to be independent? Why didn't she ever want to totally do something on her own? I hope this is her moment. Sure this is later that Lorelai, but she is her mother's daughter. I know this show shows a lot of parallels, mostly on how Rory can embrace the life Lorelai ran away from, and she may be more openminded, but in some ways she's not at all smarter. When Logan says something to her about her article, I hope she gains her independance. And I kinda hope she moves in with her new friends, and finds a way to pay for her share of rent on her OWN.

A heartbreaking moment could be when Rory tells ER that she's gonna pay them back for Yale, and without Daddy's help too. That eventually she'll pay them back for every cent. There's independence, and then there's ... I don't know... Lorelai Gilmore. A woman who can't take anyone's help, or advice so easily... and it's like being truly independent would mean that you can ask for help when you need it, and being responsible. Emily and Richard just want to feel included, and it's their money that gets them there. It's those STRINGS. And they don't want to pull them...but I can see how they think it's their only choice.

A question on FND: When do they make the choice to reinstate them? In the airplane scne with LE Lorelai should have said they'd still go there every Friday night. I don't want LE to be mushy, but could we have one more thing like "You haven't lost me?" I thought FNDs being brought back was contrivance....
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I think Rory's problem is not the people themselves, but perhaps the fact that Logan is changing. I know she wants him to be successful but he was so against doing all of this in the first place. He didnt like how his father worked and perhaps he is slipping into that pattern. I also agree with the perspective that Rorys new friends are giving her a new view. That would make sense I think.

Lorelai and Chris..I am not looking forward to this. Im not a Chris hater, I am just not too sure I like the too of them together. I just think that Lorelai is trying to prove something with him. I dont know what though lol

On another topic I love the clip that they showed on the Kimmel show lol That scene was well done when Lorelai acts like she thinks she is talking to Em's machine HAHA Emily was hilarious "LORELAI IM HERE CAN YOU HERE ME!" haha i do not know how Lorelai did not burst out laughing..
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what's going on with this show? It's completly going down. where is all the talent.
I mean, the show has no more leading role.
is it mother/daughter?
is it love
is it....something???????

They have no more lead.
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But that view is skewed. If I were Rory I would correct my new friends. I would tell them that they are not all like that. In fact my rich boyfriend Logan is not like that. If I were Rory I would defend them. Poor people are judgemental just as much as the rich are. Why Rory has to change her belief system based on a few new friends is beyond me. That child is so fickle. I also dont believe she needs to move out of Logan's to prove a point. If I were her I would thanking my lucky stars that I can live rent free for at least one year before I have to move out into the real world and live in a crappy apt. for a ton of money just scraping by with a new journalist job somewhere. I dont think it's called being spoiled, I think it's a great opportunity to save money for later on when I'll really need it. There's nothing wrong with taking advantage of a situtation like that for your benefit.
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I agree andy101. I mean, if it's already paid for, and everything, who cares, right? Deciding to move out, would be wasting money (although I'm sure his family has money to burn). Like I get all that. But I don't think she's being flighty in her beliefs. IMO Rory has always sat on the fence with the matters, when you think of it, and like I explained-- she's neither rich, nor poor. She has had an openmind. Now that she's hanging out with people like Marty was... Proud, but don't have as much money, and Marty seemed negative towards them...It will shape her. Especially if she sees how these people (Logan's business associates) treat other people. She's jumping on the Lorelai train. I hate that that's so black and white, it always was with Lorelai, if she dated a rich guy, it was always back to her parents.... and because she was with Luke that was going against them. I hated the money issue, but it's there. But Rory has rarely been like that. She is well rounded, except for her stint in the beginning of S6, that part annoyed me.

But she'll be spending more time with Marty, and Lucy and the other one. To think they're all negative, is the same as thinking every rich person treats the poor like Colin/Finn did. Maybe Rory will get the distinction. Not everyone rich is spoilt, and not everyone poor is plainly bitter about not being rich, and uses sour grapes (I don't wanna be rich, because I'd be like them).

It's interesting how the story of CL is integrated. It's of the past, and it's representation of stuff RE wanted, and DIDNT want. He's the combination. But in the end, they'll want their daughter to be happy, and inlove. Emily doesn't even think that much of Christopher. She's happy now, because she knew her daughter was unhappy before, and deemed herself right in what she had previously thought, because she thought Lorelai couldn't really be happy with Luke anyway. He didn't have the right breeding. He didn't have the right family. Blah, blah. But it isn't all about money.

When Lorelai learns, maybe Emily will too.
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A Series Changes Horses, and the Ride Gets Bumpy

By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN
Published: November 7, 2006

Something is wrong with “Gilmore Girls.” Early reports had this cherished tragicomedy series faring just fine on the new CW network without its despotic creator, Amy Sherman-Palladino, and her husband and co-captain, Daniel Palladino. Those reports were false. The couple left their own show last spring after disputes with Warner Brothers over contracts, money, timing, something. And without them the show is not faring well. It’s faring weirdly.

Has “Gilmore Girls” lost heart? If only. This brainy, dexterous show is now all heart — with Lorelai (Lauren Graham) dating Rory’s father, Christopher (David Sutcliffe), and Rory (Alexis Bledel) pining for the London-based Logan (Matt Czuchry). In the new season those emotional cues that used to come from the Sam Phillips score with its airy la-la-la lyrics now emanate from by-the-numbers reaction shots, big doorstep love scenes, vast gaps in the scripts just for feelings, and sincerity galore. As a result, the show that made a virtue of brittleness has become almost moony.

There’s even “I love you” — a sentence that Ms. Sherman-Palladino, who learned timing from her father, a cruise-ship stand-up, and who came of age writing for “Roseanne,” could never abide.

Ms. Sherman-Palladino’s rat-a-tat series used to abhor reaction shots and television silence — those wordless measures, covered with pensive close-ups, that signify emotion on soaps and dramas. Instead, her “Gilmore Girls” had a nervous, competitive tempo: each conversation was a pickup game to be won, not a dance with someone designated to lead.

Casual viewers have typically complained about the show’s stylized dialogue, poseur diction and references seemingly inspired by Bartlett’s and Roget’s. Well, for them, it should all go down easier now. The new show is run by David Rosenthal, a television writer who was famous chiefly for a 2001 morbidly obsessive play about Heidi Klum that Bruce Weber in The New York Times called “not only offensive but also incompetent.” On his “Gilmore Girls,” people lead and follow: one person talks, and the other sighs, frowns or chuckles. The sound mix is especially thick with that chuckling that signals what’s funny. I keep thinking that if Rory and Lorelai, those unsentimental brainiacs, could see this show, they’d hate it.

Ah, but they can see it. They’re right there: or at least some Cylons who look like Rory and Lorelai are there, in Stars Hollow, going through their paces. Ms. Bledel still appears by turns beautiful and loping as Rory, and Ms. Graham is still the show’s power forward, playing as hard as she can, giving all she’s got to proving that a woman’s sensibility can comprise The New Yorker and Us Weekly. A modest goal — but not a toxic one.

And possibly, even, Ms. Graham is relieved that the show has slowed down. There are certainly fewer words to remember and execute. The diction is less eccentric. With the looser, more emotionally direct and less digressive scripts, Ms. Graham may even discover more room to act. On Ms. Sherman-Palladino’s show, the scripts were so packed with dialogue that the actors, even the enterprising Ms. Graham (whose missing Emmy is now just ludicrous), sometimes showed a Mamet-style anxiety, as if it were all they could do just to recite their lines. Ms. Bledel, as Gilmore the younger, almost always came across this way.

Indeed, that was the charm of the old show: women, fundamentally women without men, were compelled to talk as fast as they could to keep their loneliness at bay. The virtue of Ms. Sherman-Palladino’s shticky style was that it created characters who were new to television. In their purest incarnations, Lorelai and Rory shared the witty woman’s challenge: to architect a wall of words so high and so thick that no silence, no stares, no intimations of mortality or even love could penetrate it.

And the more they — and especially Lorelai — did that season after season, and the more she relented only when overcome by real despair (as when she and Rory fought), the more Ms. Sherman-Palladino and Mr. Palladino seemed to have found a way to bring the pain of cleverness to the screen.

Lorelai’s out-of-touchness with her own emotional life — her conviction that to swoon, even once, would be to forfeit her verbal power and thus her reason for being — has only grown more extreme as the show has aged. That process has had an incredible poignancy and even suspense, as when a single friend becomes funnier and more self-aware even as she stifles her need for romantic love.

Lorelai’s internal life — her desperate loneliness (come on, have any of these forgettable guys even come close to matching her?) coupled with her untenable reliance on her daughter as the one true thing in her existence — is clear to longtime viewers. But no one of her fans would really want her to face that suffering, and turn soft. To force some kind of psychological reckoning on her would be sadistic.

Her humor, her style, her neuroses, even her quicksilver physicality were all contrivances that served to shut out existential truths. If she were in therapy, or a character on a show with a dumber audience, maybe she would have to embrace her weakness. But like Elizabeth in Stephen Frears’s movie “The Queen,” Lorelai has a humanity that is perfectly apparent precisely in her unwillingness to betray her stoicism in favor of a therapeutic catharsis.

For all these years, Lorelai in “Gilmore Girls” has been painful and surprising and exciting to watch — a marvelous high-wire act. How cruel that the new writer of the show wants to rub her face in conventionality, strip her of the speed that was her reason for being and transform her into another banal television lead.
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On another topic I love the clip that they showed on the Kimmel show lol That scene was well done when Lorelai acts like she thinks she is talking to Em's machine HAHA Emily was hilarious "LORELAI IM HERE CAN YOU HERE ME!" haha i do not know how Lorelai did not burst out laughing..
I just thought, maybe the answering machine bit is the message for the season, people are talking to Lorelai but she is refusing to listen to them and blocking them out until she talks to Luke in ep 7.10?
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I just thought, maybe the answering machine bit is the message for the season, people are talking to Lorelai but she is refusing to listen to them and blocking them out until she talks to Luke in ep 7.10?
I actually really like that idea actually. It would make sense too. Only time will tell i suppose

I really wonder how hers and Lukes talk will go. That is the ONLY reason im liking the chris/lorelai wedding etc because it is going to have repercussions for LL
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Ashlee I just don't see why they have to go this far, yes date, yes propose and get engaged but to elope and be married without Rory, that might be the last straw for many viewers in this stupid hayride that has become Gilmore Girls
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